Rack And Pinion exploration

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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by Byron510 » 05 Oct 2016 09:59

mroverkill wrote:
Byron510 wrote:The Saturn option is no doubt cheap and plentiful, but where would you put that PS unit on a rear steer 510?

Byron, no reason you can't tuck it under the dash from what I see. It seems agnostic to its position along the column.
Possibly, but from those photos the unit looks large, and there isn't much room under the gauge cluster and above the pedal box in a 510 - in fact the gauge cluster pretty much sits on top of the column. Below that, your pedals are right there. The unit Rich installed in his coupe was less than 1/4 the size. Maybe it would work, something to look into for sure.

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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by mroverkill » 05 Oct 2016 13:05

Byron510 wrote:
mroverkill wrote:
Byron510 wrote:The Saturn option is no doubt cheap and plentiful, but where would you put that PS unit on a rear steer 510?

Byron, no reason you can't tuck it under the dash from what I see. It seems agnostic to its position along the column.
Possibly, but from those photos the unit looks large, and there isn't much room under the gauge cluster and above the pedal box in a 510 - in fact the gauge cluster pretty much sits on top of the column. Below that, your pedals are right there. The unit Rich installed in his coupe was less than 1/4 the size. Maybe it would work, something to look into for sure.

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That's a good point, it's been a while since I had a dash in my 510.

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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by BillF » 08 Oct 2016 08:50

Looks like the electronics can be relocated and the case trimmed for less bulk, but that motor is still a challenge.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/095326.html

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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by Byron510 » 08 Oct 2016 18:33

BillF wrote:Looks like the electronics can be relocated and the case trimmed for less bulk, but that motor is still a challenge.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/095326.html
Wow, that write up on the Fiero instal didn't leave much out - love it.

With the motor stripped down in this fashion, one wonders if it can be made to work in a 510.
Thanks Bill, the noodle is working.

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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by Dave Patten » 24 Nov 2016 05:51

The group that came up with a power steering conversion for the Z car now offers a kit for the 510, price $1550.
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http://zpowersteering.com/category/dats ... -steering/
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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by icehouse » 27 Feb 2017 18:28

We have a new version of the crossmember that now allows it to be right, left, power or manual by just swapping custom bushing we make. We have a few in stock and are making more.
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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by Sleepys-14 » 06 Mar 2017 07:07

Pictures!!!!!!!
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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by icehouse » 08 Feb 2018 16:41

Cmac wrote:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Escort-MK2-Ki ... TQ:GB:1123

Here is a thought as well I contacted this seller a while back requesting measurements and this is the answer they gave me below.

Overall width: 1060mm
Width from steering arm pivot to steering arm pivot: 580mm apprx (rough meassurement with boots on)

Front steer RHD flipped will be LHD rear steer if Im not mistaken.

We did it! Thanks for the good idea! All the prototypes looked good. Just waiting for the legit parts to come in.

http://www.JBcoachwerks.com
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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by duke » 09 Feb 2018 10:28

icehouse wrote:
Cmac wrote:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Escort-MK2-Ki ... TQ:GB:1123

Here is a thought as well I contacted this seller a while back requesting measurements and this is the answer they gave me below.

Overall width: 1060mm
Width from steering arm pivot to steering arm pivot: 580mm apprx (rough meassurement with boots on)

Front steer RHD flipped will be LHD rear steer if Im not mistaken.

We did it! Thanks for the good idea! All the prototypes looked good. Just waiting for the legit parts to come in.

http://www.JBcoachwerks.com
Very well done! Looks awesome. I may be biased, but I think this is superior to the MR2 rack because of the availability of ratios and the ability to buy a brand new rack.
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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by icehouse » 09 Feb 2018 16:29

duke wrote:
icehouse wrote:
Cmac wrote:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Escort-MK2-Ki ... TQ:GB:1123

Here is a thought as well I contacted this seller a while back requesting measurements and this is the answer they gave me below.

Overall width: 1060mm
Width from steering arm pivot to steering arm pivot: 580mm apprx (rough meassurement with boots on)

Front steer RHD flipped will be LHD rear steer if Im not mistaken.

We did it! Thanks for the good idea! All the prototypes looked good. Just waiting for the legit parts to come in.

http://www.JBcoachwerks.com
Very well done! Looks awesome. I may be biased, but I think this is superior to the MR2 rack because of the availability of ratios and the ability to buy a brand new rack.
Yeah the brand new part is great. The crazy part is pivot to pivot its exactly the same as a MR2 rack. If buy the heavy duty version they are almost the same size. Although it seemed so easy to fit everything had to change a little bit. That's why it took so long.


Duke I thought of a way to get 13" wheels on your car. You can adjust your bump steer using the spherical bearing under your strut (where the old ball joint was) instead of spacing the out tie rod. The only worry is that it may need to be spaced the way you can't go. I tried to go back and look at photos to see but the one I need doesn't show up.
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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by datsuntech » 10 Feb 2018 14:52

This is so awesome. I can't express how much I appreciate the amount of work you guys have done to help out the 510 community.
I've already started saving up to buy one of these.

Question: I looked on the website. Is there going to be aan option where I can just click and get everything necessary in one package?

Thanks again,
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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by icehouse » 11 Feb 2018 20:02

datsuntech wrote:This is so awesome. I can't express how much I appreciate the amount of work you guys have done to help out the 510 community.
I've already started saving up to buy one of these.

Question: I looked on the website. Is there going to be aan option where I can just click and get everything necessary in one package?

Thanks again,
Brock

Yep! Be able to get it all minus LCA and TC rods which one day we will have. We are working on a sway bar. Almost got it sorted. It's been a long long road. Most guys know I love SUPER LOW 510's so are stuff has to work on them. The sway bar has been quite the pickle. We have settle on a weld in splined NASCAR style bar that will mount under the core support frame rail. The cool part is it will be super tunable with different diameters and will work with any motor at any ride height.
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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by datsuntech » 11 Feb 2018 21:57

Even more awesome! I'm not really into super low, but the fact that you can is always a plus.
Is there a estimated timetable for the LCAs and TC rods?
Can this work with stock LCAs and TC rods and then be changed over later?
If not going low would a standard front sump swaybar work?

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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by icehouse » 12 Feb 2018 09:05

Any TC rod and lower control arm can be made to work. Some aren't a gimmy though. Sam used stock TC rods, he cut two inches out, then sleeved them and welded them back together. He wanted mega caster haha. The only sway bar I know that works is the old DGR fab bar, the datsport might but I'm not sure about that one. The orange line bar goes to far back.
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Re: Rack And Pinion exploration

Post by duke » 12 Feb 2018 09:57

icehouse wrote: Duke I thought of a way to get 13" wheels on your car. You can adjust your bump steer using the spherical bearing under your strut (where the old ball joint was) instead of spacing the out tie rod. The only worry is that it may need to be spaced the way you can't go. I tried to go back and look at photos to see but the one I need doesn't show up.
Interesting thought. It would be a compromise though in that it would lower the front roll center. I've got a few events left in the 15" race tires that I have, but when they are nearing the end of their life, I might have to take another look at what I would have to do to get the 13's to fit. They are really light!
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