Camber Plates - info and reviews?

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Camber Plates - info and reviews?

Post by vdubjim » 18 Mar 2010 13:56

Here are the models ive found searching here and the internets.

Design Products $275
http://designproductsracing.com/510_Fro ... nsion.html
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Ermish $275
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Ground Control $299
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T3 $180
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Datsport $560
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Cusco $250-$300
http://shop.edoperformance.com/cusco-fr ... 12640.html
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Anyone wish to contribute with reviews/stats on them
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Post by okayfine » 18 Mar 2010 13:59

Whichever you select, make sure the pillow ball/rod end bushing is sized correctly for the strut insert you intend to use.
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Post by Wicked Saint » 18 Mar 2010 16:34

I am using the DP Racing ones that are not offset. You need to trim out a bit of the raised portion on the tower as pictured to get full travel. They do exactly what they are supposed to do but I can point out a few things I found to be not optimal. the 2 bolt design is a little wobbly when your trying to tighten it down. I suspect this is why some designs use 4 bolts. And I wish the 3 bolts that mount to the strut tower were pressed into the camber plate, it would have made installation much easier. But like I said they do their job so I'm happy with them. Oh, and I'm using shorted stock struts with a Tokico HZ3038 insert

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Post by vgwagon » 18 Mar 2010 16:55

The DP and Ermish plates are the same, the Ground controls are nice too.
In my opinion go for the offset type as you will get a little extra caster which is nice to have.
I have the offset type DP/Ermish plates in my wagon.
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Post by Grajeda » 18 Mar 2010 20:49

Can 510s use S13 240sx camber plates?

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Post by okayfine » 18 Mar 2010 20:50

Yes.
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Post by Baz » 19 Mar 2010 20:34

Just to set the record straight.
Datsport camber tops are AU$560
After removing sales tax & currency conversion they are US$465 complete.
Also these parts are included. we also use a larger bearing than most others so we can fit
Koni, kyb,bilstien etc.
http://www.datsport.com/suspension-fron ... rings.html
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These are the additional parts included

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Post by vdubjim » 20 Mar 2010 10:19

thanks baz!

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Post by 510rob » 20 Mar 2010 14:19

Baz, those are nice looking parts. Is my assumption correct that the parts assemble to form a shrouded labyrinth-like shield ('seal') to protect the upper thrust bearing from environmental contamination?

EDIT - nevermind - I just read the info in the page you provided a link for.

"The thrust bearing that is used in the Datsport camber plate is much the same as used by Nissan. It is fully sealed and seated by the top hat & standoff combined. We believe this is the first of its kind and certainly the only production camber plate made in Australia with an inbuilt thrust bearing."

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Post by thisismatt » 20 Mar 2010 14:34

Baz wrote:Just to set the record straight.
Datsport camber tops are AU$560
After removing sales tax & currency conversion they are US$465 complete.
Also these parts are included. we also use a larger bearing than most others so we can fit
Koni, kyb,bilstien etc.
http://www.datsport.com/suspension-fron ... rings.html
My question, and one which I don't see solved very well by any other plate either, is even with the thrust or needle bearing, how is the load transferred from the top hat to the camber plate, without putting the load on the spherical bearing while allowing the fore/aft motion of the strut rod about the spherical bearing during suspension travel? In other words, when you say "Without a thrust bearing the bump & corner loads cause a spherical bearing to load up and partially seize" how is your plate taking the bump & corner loads off the spherical bearing while still allowing the top hat to move side to side with the strut rod as it goes through suspension travel? The spring pushes on the top hat, the top hat pushes on one side of the thrust or needle bearing, so then what does the other side of the thrust or needle bearing push against if not the spherical bearing? If it somehow pushes against the camber plate itself, what kind of joint is this and how does it wear?
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Post by Pedro » 20 Mar 2010 18:39

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Post by vgwagon » 20 Mar 2010 20:16

thisismatt wrote: In other words, when you say "Without a thrust bearing the bump & corner loads cause a spherical bearing to load up and partially seize" how is your plate taking the bump & corner loads off the spherical bearing while still allowing the top hat to move side to side with the strut rod as it goes through suspension travel? The spring pushes on the top hat, the top hat pushes on one side of the thrust or needle bearing, so then what does the other side of the thrust or needle bearing push against if not the spherical bearing? If it somehow pushes against the camber plate itself, what kind of joint is this and how does it wear?
You are on the correct track in bold. If you look at vdubjim's post near the top, look closely at the design products picture.....the part where the spherical bearing is with the 2 studs and nuts, well if you turned that part over you will see that the spherical bearing is circliped in, you would also see a grove for the needle/torrington bearing race to ride in. This is where all the forces are transfered directly to the camber plate. The spherical bearing is only to center the strut rod and allow it to transmit the dampening forces....it carries no vehicle weight what so ever. That small needle bearing transfers all the weight. It hasn't worn at all in my car after 4+ years.
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Post by thisismatt » 20 Mar 2010 21:01

vgwagon wrote:
thisismatt wrote: In other words, when you say "Without a thrust bearing the bump & corner loads cause a spherical bearing to load up and partially seize" how is your plate taking the bump & corner loads off the spherical bearing while still allowing the top hat to move side to side with the strut rod as it goes through suspension travel? The spring pushes on the top hat, the top hat pushes on one side of the thrust or needle bearing, so then what does the other side of the thrust or needle bearing push against if not the spherical bearing? If it somehow pushes against the camber plate itself, what kind of joint is this and how does it wear?
You are on the correct track in bold. If you look at vdubjim's post near the top, look closely at the design products picture.....the part where the spherical bearing is with the 2 studs and nuts, well if you turned that part over you will see that the spherical bearing is circliped in, you would also see a grove for the needle/torrington bearing race to ride in. This is where all the forces are transfered directly to the camber plate. The spherical bearing is only to center the strut rod and allow it to transmit the dampening forces....it carries no vehicle weight what so ever. That small needle bearing transfers all the weight. It hasn't worn at all in my car after 4+ years.
Hope this helps
I'm surprised it doesn't wear...it sounds like the square ground control plates (not listed in this thread) that I have - they have a subtle ball and socket design where the top hat upper needle bearing has a thick upper "washer" with a convex/cup face that rides on a "ball" face machined into the camber plate.
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Post by vgwagon » 20 Mar 2010 22:27

thisismatt wrote:I'm surprised it doesn't wear...it sounds like the square ground control plates (not listed in this thread) that I have - they have a subtle ball and socket design where the top hat upper needle bearing has a thick upper "washer" with a convex/cup face that rides on a "ball" face machined into the camber plate.
A far superior design for sure.
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Post by thisismatt » 20 Mar 2010 23:23

vgwagon wrote:
thisismatt wrote:I'm surprised it doesn't wear...it sounds like the square ground control plates (not listed in this thread) that I have - they have a subtle ball and socket design where the top hat upper needle bearing has a thick upper "washer" with a convex/cup face that rides on a "ball" face machined into the camber plate.
A far superior design for sure.
They're not currently "in service", but I feel like they would wear out eventually too
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