Camber Plates - info and reviews?
Camber Plates - info and reviews?
Here are the models ive found searching here and the internets.
Design Products $275
http://designproductsracing.com/510_Fro ... nsion.html
Ermish $275
Ground Control $299
T3 $180
Datsport $560
Cusco $250-$300
http://shop.edoperformance.com/cusco-fr ... 12640.html
Anyone wish to contribute with reviews/stats on them
Design Products $275
http://designproductsracing.com/510_Fro ... nsion.html
Ermish $275
Ground Control $299
T3 $180
Datsport $560
Cusco $250-$300
http://shop.edoperformance.com/cusco-fr ... 12640.html
Anyone wish to contribute with reviews/stats on them
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Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
Whichever you select, make sure the pillow ball/rod end bushing is sized correctly for the strut insert you intend to use.
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Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
I am using the DP Racing ones that are not offset. You need to trim out a bit of the raised portion on the tower as pictured to get full travel. They do exactly what they are supposed to do but I can point out a few things I found to be not optimal. the 2 bolt design is a little wobbly when your trying to tighten it down. I suspect this is why some designs use 4 bolts. And I wish the 3 bolts that mount to the strut tower were pressed into the camber plate, it would have made installation much easier. But like I said they do their job so I'm happy with them. Oh, and I'm using shorted stock struts with a Tokico HZ3038 insert
Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
The DP and Ermish plates are the same, the Ground controls are nice too.
In my opinion go for the offset type as you will get a little extra caster which is nice to have.
I have the offset type DP/Ermish plates in my wagon.
In my opinion go for the offset type as you will get a little extra caster which is nice to have.
I have the offset type DP/Ermish plates in my wagon.
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69 510 VG30e swapped
73 240z VG30et swapped
86 300zx na2t VG30et converted
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73 240z VG30et swapped
86 300zx na2t VG30et converted
Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
Can 510s use S13 240sx camber plates?
Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
Yes.
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Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
Just to set the record straight.
Datsport camber tops are AU$560
After removing sales tax & currency conversion they are US$465 complete.
Also these parts are included. we also use a larger bearing than most others so we can fit
Koni, kyb,bilstien etc.
http://www.datsport.com/suspension-fron ... rings.html
Datsport camber tops are AU$560
After removing sales tax & currency conversion they are US$465 complete.
Also these parts are included. we also use a larger bearing than most others so we can fit
Koni, kyb,bilstien etc.
http://www.datsport.com/suspension-fron ... rings.html
Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
thanks baz!
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Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
Baz, those are nice looking parts. Is my assumption correct that the parts assemble to form a shrouded labyrinth-like shield ('seal') to protect the upper thrust bearing from environmental contamination?
EDIT - nevermind - I just read the info in the page you provided a link for.
"The thrust bearing that is used in the Datsport camber plate is much the same as used by Nissan. It is fully sealed and seated by the top hat & standoff combined. We believe this is the first of its kind and certainly the only production camber plate made in Australia with an inbuilt thrust bearing."
EDIT - nevermind - I just read the info in the page you provided a link for.
"The thrust bearing that is used in the Datsport camber plate is much the same as used by Nissan. It is fully sealed and seated by the top hat & standoff combined. We believe this is the first of its kind and certainly the only production camber plate made in Australia with an inbuilt thrust bearing."
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Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
My question, and one which I don't see solved very well by any other plate either, is even with the thrust or needle bearing, how is the load transferred from the top hat to the camber plate, without putting the load on the spherical bearing while allowing the fore/aft motion of the strut rod about the spherical bearing during suspension travel? In other words, when you say "Without a thrust bearing the bump & corner loads cause a spherical bearing to load up and partially seize" how is your plate taking the bump & corner loads off the spherical bearing while still allowing the top hat to move side to side with the strut rod as it goes through suspension travel? The spring pushes on the top hat, the top hat pushes on one side of the thrust or needle bearing, so then what does the other side of the thrust or needle bearing push against if not the spherical bearing? If it somehow pushes against the camber plate itself, what kind of joint is this and how does it wear?Baz wrote:Just to set the record straight.
Datsport camber tops are AU$560
After removing sales tax & currency conversion they are US$465 complete.
Also these parts are included. we also use a larger bearing than most others so we can fit
Koni, kyb,bilstien etc.
http://www.datsport.com/suspension-fron ... rings.html
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Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
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Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
You are on the correct track in bold. If you look at vdubjim's post near the top, look closely at the design products picture.....the part where the spherical bearing is with the 2 studs and nuts, well if you turned that part over you will see that the spherical bearing is circliped in, you would also see a grove for the needle/torrington bearing race to ride in. This is where all the forces are transfered directly to the camber plate. The spherical bearing is only to center the strut rod and allow it to transmit the dampening forces....it carries no vehicle weight what so ever. That small needle bearing transfers all the weight. It hasn't worn at all in my car after 4+ years.thisismatt wrote: In other words, when you say "Without a thrust bearing the bump & corner loads cause a spherical bearing to load up and partially seize" how is your plate taking the bump & corner loads off the spherical bearing while still allowing the top hat to move side to side with the strut rod as it goes through suspension travel? The spring pushes on the top hat, the top hat pushes on one side of the thrust or needle bearing, so then what does the other side of the thrust or needle bearing push against if not the spherical bearing? If it somehow pushes against the camber plate itself, what kind of joint is this and how does it wear?
Hope this helps
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69 510 VG30e swapped
73 240z VG30et swapped
86 300zx na2t VG30et converted
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73 240z VG30et swapped
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Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
I'm surprised it doesn't wear...it sounds like the square ground control plates (not listed in this thread) that I have - they have a subtle ball and socket design where the top hat upper needle bearing has a thick upper "washer" with a convex/cup face that rides on a "ball" face machined into the camber plate.vgwagon wrote:You are on the correct track in bold. If you look at vdubjim's post near the top, look closely at the design products picture.....the part where the spherical bearing is with the 2 studs and nuts, well if you turned that part over you will see that the spherical bearing is circliped in, you would also see a grove for the needle/torrington bearing race to ride in. This is where all the forces are transfered directly to the camber plate. The spherical bearing is only to center the strut rod and allow it to transmit the dampening forces....it carries no vehicle weight what so ever. That small needle bearing transfers all the weight. It hasn't worn at all in my car after 4+ years.thisismatt wrote: In other words, when you say "Without a thrust bearing the bump & corner loads cause a spherical bearing to load up and partially seize" how is your plate taking the bump & corner loads off the spherical bearing while still allowing the top hat to move side to side with the strut rod as it goes through suspension travel? The spring pushes on the top hat, the top hat pushes on one side of the thrust or needle bearing, so then what does the other side of the thrust or needle bearing push against if not the spherical bearing? If it somehow pushes against the camber plate itself, what kind of joint is this and how does it wear?
Hope this helps
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Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
A far superior design for sure.thisismatt wrote:I'm surprised it doesn't wear...it sounds like the square ground control plates (not listed in this thread) that I have - they have a subtle ball and socket design where the top hat upper needle bearing has a thick upper "washer" with a convex/cup face that rides on a "ball" face machined into the camber plate.
Denis Gagné
AKA VGwagon
69 510 VG30e swapped
73 240z VG30et swapped
86 300zx na2t VG30et converted
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73 240z VG30et swapped
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Re: Camber Plates - info and reviews?
They're not currently "in service", but I feel like they would wear out eventually toovgwagon wrote:A far superior design for sure.thisismatt wrote:I'm surprised it doesn't wear...it sounds like the square ground control plates (not listed in this thread) that I have - they have a subtle ball and socket design where the top hat upper needle bearing has a thick upper "washer" with a convex/cup face that rides on a "ball" face machined into the camber plate.
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