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69 vintage racer

Postby avidtest on Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:05 pm

Hi All,

Just received my new vintage race car project. Found the car here on the realm: http://www.the510realm.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13400. The seller was great to work with and really helped make the transaction simple and easy. I had the car shipped coast to coast and it arrived here in Oceanside CA last week. It was stuffed with all the goodies that Jack the seller, could get in the car (safe and sound). Besides all the miscellaneous little stuff and some things that I won't be using, some highlights include a brand new set of 13x7 Libres (which I'll be swapping for Panasports), a 5-speed comp transmission, several rear ends (I'll only use the LSD), a new Isky race cam, a Slover's ported A87 head (and some other heads), fiberglass trunk lid (I already have all the other FG panels), a brand new steering box, and plenty more. Here are some pics of it tucked into our warehouse on the day of arrival:

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I'll need to acquire at least the driver's door. If I can find a straight passenger door, I'll get that too (or just pound out this one).

When completed, I'll be running an L18 full race engine. More on that: I just lucked into a stellar deal on race-prepped L18 with all the good stuff (although I'll likely have the crank shaft sent out for knife-edging and lightening). The motor (disassembled) will arrive next week.

The existing cage is, overall, very well done. However, there are some things that I'll be improving. Interesting that the welds are very well done, but the plates that attach to the floor are just bolted, rather than welded, so that is on the to-do list. Also the down bars in the rear are currently attached to the rear wheel wells rather than the rear shock tower mounts, so that will be modified and improved. There are some cosmetic sheet metal issues in the engine bay and firewall which need to be patched. The engine bay already has some stitch-welding done, but I'll be having some more done in there.

The car came with an old fuel cell, but it's old-school, so I ponied up for a new ATL SP108-AC 8-gal aluminum cell and surge tank which is expected to arrive next week.

I've been hemming and hawing over which race seat to get (what a pita!). There are so many choices. I like the old-school look of the aluminum seats, i.e., Kirkey. However, I don't like the idea of having to use a rear-seat brace, so I've decided to go with some FIA approved Racetech fiberglass seats. Either the RT4000 http://www.apexperformance.net/CartGenie/prod-883.htm or the RT4009 http://www.apexperformance.net/CartGenie/prod-883.htm. I'm awaiting recommendation from Racetech to see which size will fit me best (unfortunately, no place to actually try them out around here that I'm aware of).

Once the seat and fuel cell arrive, work can begin on the cage and other metal work. Hopefully, I won't have to modify the door bars, but we'll see how the seat fits.

Even though it's a race car, I've decided to go whole-hog and do it right. Once metal work is done, it's off to the media blaster. The engine bay, interior, cage and bottom of car will all be powder-coated white.

Paint and body next. Car will be painted BRE style, but I'm going with a slightly off-beat combo of green and white (I'm a 911 guy and I love the old 911's in green). I've heard that it's bad luck to paint a race car green. Whatever. If I can get it, I'll take it a step further and run #13. (I was born on Friday the 13th, so it's a lucky number for me).

Here's a representation of what I'm going for (hopefully it's ok to use this image which I've modified):

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Suspension will be primarily from DPRacing (yum!).

I completed a basic build sheet the other night. Yikes! Maybe I should have done that before I bought the car..... The costs are a wee bit more than I originally expected. There's nothing like a spreadsheet to put things into perspective. Oh well, in for a penny, in for a pound - I'm past the point of no return! :)

So, that's my story for now. Well, actually, there was a Forward to the Main Story. I actually bought another 510, former ITC racer, about two months ago. It was actually running, but has an L16 and I wanted an L18, so the motor wasn't important to me. I brought it home and stripped it down preparing to restore. In the meantime, the aforementioned car popped up for sale and even though it was a great start, the 2nd car was a better start for me. Doing the only thing a sensible addict could do, I bought the Florida car and decided to worry about reselling the first car later. Anyone interested in buying a 510 racer? 8)

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Stay tuned!

Shannon
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Re: 69 vintage racer

Postby defdes on Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:00 pm

Congrats Shannon, the parts alone in that package were worth the deal in my mind. That looks like a really straight IT car, convert it back and d.d. it!
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Re: 69 vintage racer

Postby Byron510 on Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:30 am

That car, with all the parts, was a great deal. Glad it went to someone who will keep us updated here on the realm!
Lots of nice bits were in that add, good luck with the project(s) - keep us tuned in.
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Re: 69 vintage racer

Postby avidtest on Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:45 am

defdes wrote:Congrats Shannon, the parts alone in that package were worth the deal in my mind. That looks like a really straight IT car, convert it back and d.d. it!



:lol: If I did that, I might find myself single again. Currently have six cars and cannot keep this one.
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Re: 69 vintage racer

Postby avidtest on Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:50 am

Got around to removing the rear-end today. There was a bolt on one of the half-shafts that did NOT want to come out. What a freakin' pain. Mr. Dremel eventually took care of it. Once I got the diff out, the only part# on it is 38311-21100. Unfortunately, I can't find any info on that part and am wondering if it's just a part# for the case.

I've got two more diffs that came w/ the car. One has the same part# and the other has part# 38311-21000. One is supposed to be an open, another one welded and the last one an LSD. Guess I'll have to open them up to see what's what.

A friend was able to source a nice L18 w/ freshly built 44's, a Slover's ported head (that makes two), comp oil pan, and a bunch of other nice components at a very good price. It should arrive by next weekend.

The seat and brackets are ordered and should be arriving soon. A Momo Mod 07 in suede will be ordered this coming week. For the quick-release and adapter, I'm looking at these: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=6303 http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=4970. Is anyone familiar with these?

I stopped at Classic Datsun in Vista yesterday. Les over there had an original BRE 510 up on the lift. It was pretty cool to check it out and see some the trick stuff they did under the car, such as a forward tilted fuel cell w/ sump underneath at the lowest forward point. It also had an aluminum heat shield formed under the cell.

Another neat thing was the fabricated jacking plate boxes welded to the rocker panels below the door posts on each side of the car. After only jacking my not-yet-too-low 510 less than a handful of times, those little jacking plate conveniences are definitely going on my car. I apologize if this stuff is old news to many here, but as a 510 newbie, I find it pretty cool.
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Re: 69 vintage racer

Postby avidtest on Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:20 pm

After thinking about it, I'm not sure my "build" qualifies as a build on this site. I'm contracting out 90% of the expertise and labor required, to those that know what they're doing. I'm interested in driving the car as soon as possible, rather than spending 2-3 years on a project. So...... oh what the hell, I'll keep posting as much as I can unless the realm group says otherwise.

It was an exciting week. First, the metal fabricator came over and we discussed the items required which include:

* Further stitch-welding
* roll-cage modification - cut the rear down bars off the main hoop that currently attach to the rear wheel wells and re-do them to attach to the rear struts
* Install jacking plates on each side of the car on the rockers (the car will be very low and difficult to get a jack underneath)
* fab a fuel cell mount in trunk
* some miscellaneous patch work in engine bay
* possibly modify driver door bar and harness bar once seat arrives, along with seat mounting bracket mod
* Rear cross-member modification to allow easier diff removal (I won't be using the standard mustache bar)

I'll get the estimate for this next week. Fingers crossed for a competitive price.

Next the race motor arrived yesterday on a pallet (or rather the components of the motor arrived). I got so excited I forgot to take pictures. :roll:

The deal turned out to be a very good one. Some of the items included:

* L18 block
* Slover's ported A87 head
* Competition Oil Pan
* Competition L18 6-bolt crank
* 6-bolt aluminum flywheel
* 50mm Mikuni carb setup (this was a bonus as I was expecting another set of 44's)
* BRE style maninfold
* new set of stainless Manley valves
* new set of ARP bolts
* titanium retainers
* Isky cam
* valve cover w/ oil spray bar setup
* new timing chain and tensioner
* New oil pump
* factory rods - shotpeened and lightened
* a used set of pistons - not sure which

I forgot the rest and left my list at the warehouse, but there was quite a bit more. This was a really good find. A buddy of mine actually sourced it. (thanks Ron!). Between this and the stuff that came with the car, I've got nearly everything to make a good motor.

With help from Les at Classic Datsun, we did an inventory, loaded everything up, and took it to the motor builder. Based on our talk, I'll need to replace the pistons with a new set (to the builder's spec), new rods, a few miscellaneous items, and the crank will be sent out to be knife-edged and lightened. Overall though, it looks like I'm going come in a bit under budget for the motor. That's good because I know it'll go over budget somewhere else.

Things are progressing nicely. I had hoped to be racing my next fall. Who knows, it may be sooner. :)
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Re: 69 vintage racer

Postby avidtest on Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:13 pm

I was able to make it up North this morning to DP Racing. Nice folks. They are in process of making more of the parts I need, but in the meantime, I was able to bring home some of the new jewelry.

front sway bar kit, diff carrier, weight jacks and solid mounts for rear crossmember

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Re: 69 vintage racer

Postby defdes on Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:33 pm

Good haul! I haven't seen Don's diff carrier before, nice part.
Hey, btw...if you have an extra comp oil pan, I'd be interested.
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Re: 69 vintage racer

Postby avidtest on Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:20 am

Hi John,

I'm going to notch out the rear cross-member too. That, combined w/ Don's diff carrier should allow for quick diff changes and I won't have to worry so much about the fuel cell being in the way (for the most part).

As for comp oil pans, I only have the one that came w/ my motor parts haul. If I'm not mistaken though, I believe Don can make a comp pan from a stock pan. It's either Don or Les at Classic Datsun - can't remember which. I think it's in the neighborhood of $500 - $600. :shock:
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Re: 69 vintage racer

Postby avidtest on Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:51 am

Well, it's been quite a while since I've posted an update. A lot of good stuff has been done to the car. Unfortunately, I've done a poor job of capturing many of the details, but let's give it a shot. First, the motor is coming along very nicely. ETA is another 2-3 weeks, but so far, it looks like compression is 14:1 (whoa! way to go Monty!). We'll see what the dyno says when it's all said and done though. In the meantime, I had quite a bit of fab work done: fuel cell framing and cow bells welded in. Old door bars removed and new x-bar put in. Removed old rear bars, which were secured to the rear wheel wells (say what?) and installed new ones that go to the rear strut towers. Lot's of other minor cage additions and improvements (great work Tho). Entire car stitch welded, however, in the following pic, I had not yet had the bottom done. First, I had to remove the under-coating (what a pleasure that was!). Luckily, I was able some of the most toxic shit known to man at Home Depot, which aided removal greatly. Sorry, no before pic - just an after:

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Also had aluminum panels fitted throughout and bead-rolled (thanks Duane and Mic).

Once undercoating was taken car of, back to welder to have remaining stitch welding completed along with many little holes filled. And since the car is going to be very low on 13x7's, we had the front wheel wells modified to accommodate them. I wanted to have this done right (rather than just beat them back w/ a hammer). Pretty happy w/ the result (thanks Richard).

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In the meantime, all the suspension parts were being modified up at DP Racing (thanks Don and Kathy). Sorry, no pics.

Next, off to the media blaster:

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Oh yeah... so close to some paint!! Speaking of which, I spent a weekend penciling different designs and agonizing over color schemes. Can't believe how difficult it was to make a decision (or what a dork I am to be so insane about it). Part of the problem was I wanted to paint the car green, but no matter how hard I tried, I could not find a color to pair with the green that looked 'right'. Damnit.

So, I scrapped that idea and came up with something even better imho. Here's some pics of the fresh paint, before clearcoat and polish:

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As a Porsche guy, I got a big kick out of using Porsche factory colors (Riviera Blue and Tangerine - aka Blood Orange - aka Butorange)

The bottom, trunk, engine bay, interior and bottom are white. Body work and paint done by Chuck Parker (great work Chuck!).

Just picked it up today and did not yet get pics of it in it's super-shiny fresh clear coat yet.

Next week, it goes to Les at Classic Datsun, who's been invaluable on the build to date. CDM will lead the charge from here. My buddy Ron Carter (you've probably seen his red 2000 roadster or his BRE 240Z replica) has also been a great source of help and information (not to mention a great motivator). Thanks Ron.

I know I've left some stuff out, but after getting the car back today, I had to post something. I'm pumped!
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Re: 69 vintage racer

Postby defdes on Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:11 am

Wow, looks great. I like the 70's color scheme, well done.
14:1? I hope you like rebuilding! You going to make it out this season? Look forward to seeing it done.
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Re: 69 vintage racer

Postby avidtest on Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:23 pm

I'd like to think I could get out this season, but the reality is, it's not very likely. I'm shooting for completion in September/October. Then I'll need to get in on the track for at least one, if not two 'test 'n tune' days to iron out the inevitable issues. The goal is to have the car dialed in and ready for the beginning of 2011.
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