Fred's 73 2dr 510

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Fred_L-P
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Re: Fred's 73 2dr 510

Postby Fred_L-P » 21 Apr 2017 19:07

Oh wow nice find. It's definitely not the same car, but quite similar indeed. Both from Quebec, Same colors, exactly the same roll cage and wheels...

Little update, I am finally ready to work on the car, starting to sort things out.
Everything I brought back with me is mixed up in many boxes.
Once this is done I will get started on the suspension and brake upgrades before anything else.

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Re: Fred's 73 2dr 510

Postby andrew.lori » 23 Apr 2017 19:15

Good find Fritz ... sure are similar. Wonder where it is now
1966 Sunbeam Tiger MK1A
1970 Datsun 510 CASC Road Racer ( to be restored )
1972 Datsun 510 SR Monster Sold it
1977 Datsun 200SX
1973 Toyota Celica
1972 Triumph GT6 SCCA Vintage Race Car / Money Pit
1972 Mazda 808 ... 39k original Miles

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Re: Fred's 73 2dr 510

Postby Fred_L-P » 29 May 2017 10:40

So... I didn't have much time to get started on the car because of major renovations in the house i need to get done first, but I did manage to start shopping. I bought a pair of 280zx front struts, T3 coilover weld on kit + camber plates and tranny mount.

I've also been looking for a KA/5 speed MT. I had a good deal but the seller backed out as I was about to go pick it up...

How much would you guys pay (cad$) for a 1995 KA24DE/5 speed MT that both need a complete rebuild? I found one for 150$ but not sure if I should get it. The guy told me the tranny is leaking, syncros are tired and engine is burning oil. I don't mind the engine rebuild, It's the transmission that worries me. I would just drop it at a shop to rebuild it, but considering I could grab an SR20DE (not T) for 1000-1500$ at a JDM in Montreal... I'm not sure the complete KA rebuild is worth it.

What do you guys think?

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Re: Fred's 73 2dr 510

Postby DADZSUN » 29 May 2017 11:18

I'm quite familiar with the KA transmission search because I was going through it last summer. My tranny shifts/synros are fine, but there's some kind of lash when coasting in gear that I figure means it's getting tired.

I haven't had much luck. I found one in Ottawa for a few hundred but it was worse than the one I already had (seller took it back thankfully). For a decent used one I'd pay $250-350 depending on supply. New rebuild is about $1000Cdn, or at least that was the price of parts & rebuild I was quoted.

Another option I considered is the 350/370z CD009 6 speed tranny with adapter plate and shifter relocator (too long in stock form) but that's close to $2K.

Did you try calling the various JDM import shops for an SR20 tranny (swap bell housing is all that's required I believe)? I see a few listed on kijiji. There's two in Montreal for $400 http://www.kijiji.ca/v-transmission/oue ... nFlag=true




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Re: Fred's 73 2dr 510

Postby greenthumb » 29 May 2017 13:20

That 350z 6 speed is huuuuge. I don't believe that you can slip that one in as readily as a ka 5 speed

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Re: Fred's 73 2dr 510

Postby icehouse » 29 May 2017 13:58

My vote is SR20DE!! I've installed a few and have one in my daily driver. I'm sure I have over 3 hours of autoX laps on it plus daily driving for a few years and it still runs awesome. I also make sure to bang it off the rev limiter at least once a day. I've installed more KA's into 510's than I can count and wired even more. I've just had to many issues with KA's to see the benefit of getting one. 10+ years ago they were the go to swap. Me and frank would get them for free lots of times with low milage and slap them in a dime. Now they are overpriced and beat down.


Get this! From what I could find it's 197 to the wheels! and a 6 speed!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissan-Silvia-Autech-S15-SR20DE-6-Speed-Swap-S13-S14-JDM-Engine-Transmission-/322463106906?hash=item4b144c875a:g:6VQAAOSwTM5Y1op~&vxp=mtr
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Re: Fred's 73 2dr 510

Postby Fred_L-P » 29 May 2017 18:13

Yeah, I've seen the Autech SR20DE 6 speed but its out of my price range. I was thinking of the regular SR20DE 5 speed. They usually sell for 1200$ around here in fairly good/running condition.

If I rebuild one of those beaten up KA + tranny I'm looking at a good 2000$. Which makes me lean towards a JDM SR20DE.

Icehouse, how harder are they to swap vs the KA? I know the SR20DET biggest issue is the turbo/manifold hitting the steering box.
Is the SR20DE exhaust manifold also hitting it? It's also hard to find info about it since everything that comes up are about turbo builds...

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Re: Fred's 73 2dr 510

Postby JordanTr » 29 May 2017 22:44

Fred, having driven both my car (stock Ka24DE 3.7 LSD) and Jeff's car (NA SR20DE 3.9 rear IIRC), the KA is torqued and peppier feeling I think. Maybe I just drive my car harder than I drove his!! The SR felt quite Honda-esque to me without a turbo on it.

Jeff's point about the lack of plentiful KAs is very valid.
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Re: Fred's 73 2dr 510

Postby Three B's Racing » 30 May 2017 07:25

JordanTr wrote:Fred, having driven both my car (stock Ka24DE 3.7 LSD) and Jeff's car (NA SR20DE 3.9 rear IIRC), the KA is torqued and peppier feeling I think. Maybe I just drive my car harder than I drove his!! The SR felt quite Honda-esque to me without a turbo on it.

Jeff's point about the lack of plentiful KAs is very valid.


Well which SR you comparing to S13 140hp or S14 165hp because the KA24DE sports what 160hp. I'm running a S14 na SR and I'd happly run any stock KA24DE, that would be fun. I've run a friends Celica with VG3.3 and happly car lenghted him. :arrow:
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Re: Fred's 73 2dr 510

Postby Fred_L-P » 19 Nov 2017 18:18

Time for an update!

I'm still working on the house but I've managed to spend some time on the 510.
Progress is a bit slower than I'd like, but I'm still getting stuff done.
The idea is to mock up/test fit and get everything ready before doing any body work so I don't have to cut, weld, drill holes, etc after the paint job is done.

So during the last 5 months I sorted out the front suspension/steering
I'll let the pictures do the talking

Ready to work!
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Before
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mint 82 280zx struts :lol:
I still dont get how i managed to find such a clean shell up here...
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Suspensions parts after removal
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The old LCA bushing sleeves were a pain... There was no way to take them out, even the hydraulic press wouldn't make them budge.
So I decided to carefully cut a slice of the sleeve with a hacksaw to break them loose and it worked.
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Cleaned/rewelded the crossmember before making it pretty. The previous welding job for the flip was disgusting.
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Everything ready to put it back together!
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In the meantime I also found a nice set of Nissan OEM Primera 15'' Wheels from a JDM shop in Montreal
They're straight and don't show any kind of damage. They just need a little cleanup. I might powder coat them if I end up using them.
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I turned the car around yesterday. I'll give the back end the same treatment this winter.
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I did not check what kind of diff is hiding there yet. It may have been upgraded in the past for the rally. If it's still an open diff I'll consider swapping it for a Subaru LSD.

Since I plan to daliy drive it during the summer, I'm not going to drop it crazy low considering the crappy road conditions in Quebec.
I don't know yet what springs are in there, but I already like how high the back end sits. I think the slightly bigger wheels and extra weight when reassembled will fill the gap nicely.

I did not restore the front ZX calipers yet. I'm still not sure if I will or if I upgrade to small aftermarket calipers since ZX ones are nowhere to be found. I will also convert the back to discs. Any suggestions for the setup?

Let's hope I can get all this done for late spring so I can get started on the engine/wiring during the summer! I decided to go SR20DE.

In the meantime I also changed job, but still related to cars.
I'm now a tooling engineer for Raufoss Automotive Components. We design/produce forged aluminum suspension arms for the automotive industry.
The best part is it's 5 minutes from home. No more traffic, it feels sooooooo goood.

Next time I'll try to update during the process with more pictures.

Cheers!


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