KA-Z-L-2.1ET... or something.

Post by **jovial_cynic** » 03 Oct 2005 23:00

So... I've started the biggest engine project that I've ever attempted. Previously, I've removed/replaced an engine head, as well as tore off the front cover and replaced that. Now, I'm going to attempt a project that brings me into completely new territory for me, and I'll do my best to chart my progress here.

The only problem right now is that I don't have a lot of time available. I'm working in a hurricane catastrophe call center, working 12-hour days, 6-days a week. However, that won't stop me from taking pictures and making purchases, and taking care of the little things.

Here goes.

I'm building the KA-Z-L-2.1ET... or something. My goal here is to have a z22 block (bored out to either 88mm or 89mm... depending on price of pistons I can find), L20b crank, Z20e rods, Z22e pistons, topped off with a KA head and a turbo to feed it all. All of that, plus a megasquirt system to manage the fuel. Currently, I just want to go w/ the sohc head, on account of simplicity; the amount of fabrication for the dohc head is enough to make my head spin... although I might attempt it in the future.

Anyhow, I've already got the block (just need to get it bored), the rods, the crank, and the turbo. I've got a shot at a set of z22 pistons (30 oversize) for cheap, so I might end up boring the block to fit that. I've got a good lead on a $75 KA head as well.

Here's some pictures of what's going on so far.

- z22 pistons and rods removed from the car
- empty block
- fully counterbalanced L20b crank

Mike_510 · Post by **Mike_510** » 03 Oct 2005 23:09

damn bro... that's the most craziest Frankenstein project i have ever heard of. I gotta see this thing roar after you're done(video) if not in person. Update us every step of the way bro.

Post by **jovial_cynic** » 04 Oct 2005 06:26

.. it's not that weird. it's based off an existing design - back when Jason Gray's site was up, he wrote up different frankenstein motor combinations with the characteristics of them. he outlines the description of the 2.1 Longrod motor (z22 block/z20 rods/L20b crank), and it happens to have characteristics that I appreciate. The only difference is that I'm building it w/ a KA head instead of an L head.

Go to the "technical" forum here and you'll see a pinned thread on Jason Gray's technical articles.

Post by **hang_510** » 04 Oct 2005 09:24

crazy, NAH! im doing the same, l20/z22 frankenstein, but opposite. im doing a stroker=2.19L when done. pistons have been the main i$$ue, looking into forged vs. cast, just to make it more expensive

. had not seen any z22e pistons only z22s, based on pin height. i wanted to keep it as stock looking as possible too, a sleeper wagon

and no one has done either of these motors, from what ive read.

Post by **jovial_cynic** » 04 Oct 2005 09:27

i've got z22e pistons, and rods. what do you need?

banzai510(hainz) · Post by **banzai510(hainz)** » 05 Oct 2005 12:09

I want to see who gets done first?

Ill start mine in about 3 yrs ,Ill win!!!!!!!

Post by **hang_510** » 05 Oct 2005 12:19

jovial_cynic wrote:i've got z22e pistons, and rods. what do you need?

nothing, other than maybe the block ($hipping?)

wrote:I want to see who gets done first?

me too

in 3yrs ill start a turboV12 project and drive it to WA to show ya

Post by **jovial_cynic** » 05 Oct 2005 12:31

Hey banzai - don't be a prick. Also, please don't derail my thread. You've got tons of great advice, and lots of information... and I appreciate that. But there's no sense in being crotchety and cranky and pissing everybody off. If you want to voice complaints about the plans and projects of other board members, start your own thread and complain all you want. Create links and point to all the failed projects you've seen over the years. Do whatever you want in your own thread.

In the meanwhile, people start threads to share information or have questions answered, and your quips and comments aren't helpful.

Thanks!

banzai510(hainz) · Post by **banzai510(hainz)** » 05 Oct 2005 12:51

I dont want to be a Prick, But I been into 510s too long. to see space go wasted.

I am a prick to You cause I tried to help you out with a Flywheel with 2 sources then you wanted a trade or some thing like that(code for FREE) when the guys I told you to call said NEVER heard back from you. Thats means if you cant afford a 25$ Flywheel where you going to get all this other stuff.

I remember the 6 cly truck idea. What happen to that?
Then I mention using the Used Parts issue. I just cant keep up with you. Persoanlly I think My L16 will still beat what ever you build!

OK I wont Hijack your threads. But be realistic with these expectation here.Cause really everbody is Laughing!!!!!!!!!!!!Add all those modification its going to cost alot. But if using used junk its still junk. The way I look at it to have any real HP out of a L/Z series motor your going to need 2K and some more For all the Junk that was bad and you didnt know it and had to do it again.
Best to go to Tacoma.Wa(Dave Nelson) and get a SR20DET INSTALLED for $4500 and be done with it. a 205HP 510.Nothin is going to be cheaper that that.

That is the best

Post by **jovial_cynic** » 05 Oct 2005 15:18

... I didn't need free - I offer to trade because I like trading. I think it makes more sense, and I do it all the time. I choose not to fund my 510 projects from my paycheck, but rather make money for my car through trades and by selling things I've traded for. In the meanwhile, I've already bought the engine, the crank, the rods, picking up the pistons tonight, getting the KA head from a guy at work, and will look into the megasquirt system once I've got the engine put together. Money isn't an issue here, and I'm not concerned about that.

I didn't get the flywheel because I didn't need it after I picked up my new engine. If your sources were sitting by the phone waiting for me to call them, I guess that sucks... but I'm not going to stress out about it. I didn't end up needing it, so why would I call?

The 6-cylinder truck idea was just me fishing for more information; that idea never left the paper-stage, since all the information I received left me with the conclusion that it wasn't a good idea. Half the questions posed are me just getting ideas, since folks with experience are a better source of information than the books. I asked bryan feldman about his inline6 510, and got all the information I needed from him about the amount of work necessary.

And what modifications are you talking about? Putting the z20 rods and L20b crank in the Z22 is basic engine work. I've got all the parts necessary to put that together. The sohc KA head has been proven to work, and has been proven to be a fairly simple install. The turbo is an after-thought, and the megasquirt is also a "if-i-get-around-to-it" idea. I'll get the engine running on a carb first and then switch over to FI if I'm able, and then if I'm ambitious enough to continue, I'll see about working towards the turbo.

You do your thing, I'll do my thing. Like I said, if you want to harrass folks because you don't think their ideas are worthwhile, start your own thread and gripe all you want. If I run with projects that can't be completed due to funds or knowledge, everybody's going to know about it, and it'll be pretty self explanatory. Nobody needs a running commentary with a guy constantly saying, "that's not gonna work!" or "just pay somebody else to do it!" As far as I'm concerned, that's pretty worthless, and I really don't appreciate seeing it in my thread.

FYI, if folks are driving around in an SR20 510 that they didn't build themselves, I'm not too impressed. I don't care.

Post by **510Freak** » 05 Oct 2005 15:33

In the meanwhile, people start threads to share information or have questions answered, and your quips and comments aren't helpful.

Thanks![/quote]But they are truthful,

Post by **jovial_cynic** » 05 Oct 2005 16:02

Um... his statement was:

I want to see who gets done first?

Ill start mine in about 3 yrs ,Ill win!!!!!!!

That's truth, eh?

Post by **510Freak** » 05 Oct 2005 16:04

Well i guess well see wont we,

Post by **jovial_cynic** » 05 Oct 2005 16:09

... you up for a wager?

Post by **510Freak** » 05 Oct 2005 16:10

Sure,