LLC leak from head gasket
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LLC leak from head gasket
I assembled A87 L18 engine and installed it four years ago with LLC filled. But then, right before firing the engine I had a health issue and left my project for few years.
I did not notice back then but there was a minor LLC leak on the floor. I started working on it and last year finally I fired up the engine which is running perfectly and beautifully. But when it cooled down, I noticed small leak from both sides of the head. No leak inside cylinder or oil pan.
When I built the engine I did not check warpage, hoping all was well. I tried retorque head bolts from 40 ftlbs to 50+ ftlbs but it showed little improvement.
I am ready to remove the head and start over but before doing that I would like experts' inputs on what else to look for.
Thank you in advance.
I did not notice back then but there was a minor LLC leak on the floor. I started working on it and last year finally I fired up the engine which is running perfectly and beautifully. But when it cooled down, I noticed small leak from both sides of the head. No leak inside cylinder or oil pan.
When I built the engine I did not check warpage, hoping all was well. I tried retorque head bolts from 40 ftlbs to 50+ ftlbs but it showed little improvement.
I am ready to remove the head and start over but before doing that I would like experts' inputs on what else to look for.
Thank you in advance.
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Re: LLC leak from head gasket
what does LLC refer to?
Re: LLC leak from head gasket
Do you remember if you torqued from the center of the head out?
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Re: LLC leak from head gasket
This would have been key, unless the head had history by you without issue.PMCS Rally wrote:When I built the engine I did not check warpage, hoping all was well.
What HG did you use? And echoing James' question regarding tightening specs?
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Lots and Lots of Coolant?510rob wrote:what does LLC refer to?
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Re: LLC leak from head gasket
My guess is Long Life Coolant.
Gasket will need changing at a minimum. Check head and block for warp. Maximum allowable is 0.004" across the full length using a straight edge.
Tightening sequence is...
RAD
7...8
3...4
1...2
5...6
9..10
Use this sequence and bring all bolts to 20 lbs, then
Use this sequence and bring all bolts to 40 lbs, then
Use this sequence and bring all bolts to 60 lbs
Head and block surfaces must be cleaner than clean! Spotless! Threaded holes cleaned thoroughly right to the bottom. Bolts can be reused multiple times as long as clean and undamaged. Do NOT use gasket sealers or dressings.
Gasket will need changing at a minimum. Check head and block for warp. Maximum allowable is 0.004" across the full length using a straight edge.
Tightening sequence is...
RAD
7...8
3...4
1...2
5...6
9..10
Use this sequence and bring all bolts to 20 lbs, then
Use this sequence and bring all bolts to 40 lbs, then
Use this sequence and bring all bolts to 60 lbs
Head and block surfaces must be cleaner than clean! Spotless! Threaded holes cleaned thoroughly right to the bottom. Bolts can be reused multiple times as long as clean and undamaged. Do NOT use gasket sealers or dressings.
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Re: LLC leak from head gasket
Thank you all for inputs.
I just realized that AF/LLC was JIS terminology only.
Yes, I followed torque order and procedure up to and from 39.8 ftlbs. It looks like the leak is from warpage or not-cleaned-enough surface. I will remove the head to check warpage and surface hoping the block is OK.
Does anyone have a dimension of Datsun Special Too #ST17420001 to keep timing chain tensioner in place? I am thinking about making one with wood unless the block is bad.
I just realized that AF/LLC was JIS terminology only.
Yes, I followed torque order and procedure up to and from 39.8 ftlbs. It looks like the leak is from warpage or not-cleaned-enough surface. I will remove the head to check warpage and surface hoping the block is OK.
Does anyone have a dimension of Datsun Special Too #ST17420001 to keep timing chain tensioner in place? I am thinking about making one with wood unless the block is bad.
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Re: LLC leak from head gasket
Most of us make/made one from a hard wood. Drill a nice hole in the top, and use a good quality wire for pulling it out. You just tap it into place, with a reasonable wedge on the chain. I have used my block for over 35 years now.
make sure you use a hard wood, or, use plastic, something that is NOT going to shred when you pull it out and drop crap down the chain to the bottom.
make sure you use a hard wood, or, use plastic, something that is NOT going to shred when you pull it out and drop crap down the chain to the bottom.
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Genius.
The page I posted should be 1:1, so it could be printed, cut, and traced. That's what I did when I made my tool.
The page I posted should be 1:1, so it could be printed, cut, and traced. That's what I did when I made my tool.
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I could make some of these from UHMW plastic.
An Idea doesn't work unless you do.
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Billet, with I-beam construction!
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But, for $7.21, is it worth even turning the mill on?
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Hadn't seen those ha ha ha.
Not worth the mill time.
Not worth the mill time.
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