Removable radiator support

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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by Heinrich » 10 Jun 2019 13:53

i have made my top radiator support removable.
works well for me, will take pictures as soon as i get a chance.

http://www.the510realm.com/viewtopic.ph ... 75#p271626
here you can see the car without the top support at the bottom of that post.
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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by Fred_L-P » 10 Jun 2019 15:41

Heinrich wrote:
10 Jun 2019 13:53
i have made my top radiator support removable.
works well for me, will take pictures as soon as i get a chance.

http://www.the510realm.com/viewtopic.ph ... 75#p271626
here you can see the car without the top support at the bottom of that post.
Yes please! Thank you

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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by eastbaysolo_73 » 10 Jun 2019 16:52

defdes wrote:
10 Jun 2019 04:59
Fred_L-P wrote:
09 Jun 2019 12:32
eastbaysolo_73 wrote:
09 Jun 2019 12:00
Byron510

Would that set up work with a cheery picker? Thats all I have to pull and drop in my engine.

Thanks
I was wondering the same thing.

Plus , my garage ceiling is pretty low. I always have to use it outside.
I don't think the weight would be the problem but that the legs would be difficult to get the motor dolly passed. You might get it to work, but it could be awkward.
Thanks... Yeah my buddy said the same thing. Im gonna give it a try and see how it goes. I already have the angle iron. Just have to make some holes and trim it down a little.
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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by Byron510 » 11 Jun 2019 00:27

Yes, I do believe it could be done with a standard cherry picker- as the whole thing would be in front of the car. You’d need length in the garage, and a narrow dolly under the motor.
I had the very same thought the first time I used the jig, and her I do think it’ll work fine.

Still easier that cutting the rad support I think, and still less potential to damage paint when coming up from underneath even with the rad support out and still no body panels to come off (hood at minimum).

Just an opinion, do keep us posted.

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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by icehouse » 28 Jun 2019 17:19

rookies install engines from the top. Under is the only way to go. Easy to do by your self, doesn't scratch the paint either. I didn't make anything fancy. I have a few sets of the SUV jack stands.
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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by eastbaysolo_73 » 29 Jun 2019 19:20

icehouse wrote:
28 Jun 2019 17:19
rookies install engines from the top. Under is the only way to go. Easy to do by your self, doesn't scratch the paint either. I didn't make anything fancy. I have a few sets of the SUV jack stands.
Nice I actually don't have enough length in my garage to pull it up with my cherry picker. Gonna look into some SUV jack stands. Can the transmission be attached as well ICEHOUSE?
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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by Three B's Racing » 01 Jul 2019 05:09

When I installed my SR (12 year ago) i did it from up top, complete engine and trans minus exhaust manifold. I simply raised the back of the 510 high enough to only need a bit of trans angle downward with an adjustable engine sling and it was in and was very easy. Just an easy way to do it if you don't go the underneath way.
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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by Jesse C. » 01 Jul 2019 07:01

I have installed and removed my engine quite a few times by doing it from below. And may I add, by myself!

I raised the car by putting the rear wheels on metal car ramps and the front on jackstands, then I lifted the front with a floor jack and a piece of wood. The engine, with crossmember installed, sat on a 4 Wheel movers dolly and was simply slid under the car while it was jacked up. The jacking point was right under the rad support area. Then I simply lower the jack slowly, while checking the sides, and voila! Engine was in!

Then I used my cherry picker to simply pull the engine into the engine bay. Car was off the ground still, so it was easy to do the crossmember and the trans mount. And done!

But I think now I am going to make one of those bumper mount tools and go that way.

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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by Fred_L-P » 01 Jul 2019 08:11

Thanks everyone for your inputs. I'll try from bellow next time. I'll keep my radiator support in 1 piece.

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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by icehouse » 01 Jul 2019 14:27

eastbaysolo_73 wrote:
29 Jun 2019 19:20
icehouse wrote:
28 Jun 2019 17:19
rookies install engines from the top. Under is the only way to go. Easy to do by your self, doesn't scratch the paint either. I didn't make anything fancy. I have a few sets of the SUV jack stands.
Nice I actually don't have enough length in my garage to pull it up with my cherry picker. Gonna look into some SUV jack stands. Can the transmission be attached as well ICEHOUSE?
Yep I always leave the trans on. If it's an SR you can take off the turbo outlet elbow to get a little more clearance.
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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by eastbaysolo_73 » 01 Jul 2019 22:27

Yup SR, thats good to know. Should make my life easier since its just me doing the install. Thanks
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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by SteveEdmonton » 02 Jul 2019 16:16

I'm intrigued by the "from below" method and agree it sounds like a great idea-- as long as you don't mind removing that front crossmember!

I guess it depends what else you're doing, besides "just" removing the engine. I haven't usually wanted to deal with all the suspension stuff too, as well as the drivetrain, so pulling the motor out the top has been my preferred method up to this point. I suspect that the extra time it takes me to remove the hood, rad, etc., probably offsets the time it takes the bottom-up guys to deal with the suspension. Or am I missing something important?

Not saying the bottom-up method doesn't have advantages... but it might not be for everyone. Or at least not every time.
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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by Fred_L-P » 02 Jul 2019 18:33

I guess the biggest advantage is when you leave the transmission on, which I did twice from the top and it is not easy to do without hitting anything.

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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by Byron510 » 02 Jul 2019 20:56

Agreed that taking off the hood is easy. And yes I have pulled a motor from running to out in 20 minutes in a manual car - but going back in isn't so quick.

Bottom up means a wheel alignment.
BUT...
Bottom up saves removing the hood, or messing with hood alignment - get that wrong and it'll cost ya!
Bottom up means that transmission assembly to the block is done out in the open where it's super simple.
Bottom up means getting the bolts in place to the trans is simpler - L's aren't an issue anyways - but it's still easier.
Bottom up saves paint on the fire wall and rad support - hands down. And that's expensive to fix!
Bolts on the suspension are pretty basic, and you probably needed to check them anyways.

Yes bottom up will cost you a suspension alignment, but you likely needed to check that as well :-)

It's one of those things where you didn't know you had been missing it - until you did had it. Now it's obvious which way is my choice if I had one. I'd been pulling motors out the top for many years, the jig to lift the car has only been around for a short while in comparison. But like I said - given the choice, there's no going back now!

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Re: Removable radiator support

Post by Heinrich » 03 Jul 2019 02:40

some strong arguments for the below method, my main reason is that i do not want to remove suspension in future to remove/replace engine and gearbox .
here is what i have done to my car.
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